HomeOTHER TOPICSWhy are our beaches so crowded?

Comments

Why are our beaches so crowded? — 24 Comments

  1. Having owners be required to accompany “guests” is an impractical and discriminatory idea. Our 2 children and 2 grand kids use the beach as members of the ownership family, and the the legal owners cannot be there every visit.

    The biggest problem with the beach is not people, there is plenty of grass and sand to share, it’s LACK OF PARKING. We have many times been forced to park on public roads and streets for a lengthy walk with beach gear since the limited beach and pool parking fills up very quickly. T

    Reply ↓

    • This issue was raised at the last BOT meeting. Requiring a property owner to escort their guests to the beach was researched, and no policy was found to have ever been in place. The majority of the Board were not in favor of making this policy change and felt that requiring a punch card, which will be limited, was sufficient.

      Prior to last summer, purchasing additional punch cards was not limited. The proposed changes include the continuation of the limit. Additionally, day passes and exchange passes, which were eliminated 2 summers ago, are also proposed to be eliminated.

    • The document in question is posted above for your reading pleasure. Having our children and/or grandchildren visit the beach without “us”, the actual homeowners, is covered by the photo cards as photo card carriers are considered “members”.

      The lack of parking would be far less an issue if the original contracts were being followed instead of the beaches and indeed, the entire Village< being viewed as a "cash cow" to be milked dry.

  2. IVGID has grown way beyond its intended purpose and has assumed powers not granted to it (as do all “government” entities at every level). We must return IVGID to its original purpose and return our beaches to their intended legal operation. If we can’t get the IVGID board to do their job in this regard, we must replace them with people who will.

    • IVGID has only powers given to it by the legislature. It has only powers of water, sewer, trash and recreation. Nothing beyond that. Nevada is a Dillions Rule state.

      • IVGID’s powers have been questioned multiple times. IVGID has refused to request either a) an opinion from the Nevada Attorney General or b) a court determination (NRS 43.100) https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-043.html#NRS043Sec100 . The Nevada AG does not charge for an opinion.

        Instead, IVGID has relied on advice from counsel, currently BB&K, the same firm that provided legal advice to the City of Bell, CA, one of the best known municipal scandals in the U.S. (see wikipedia).

        Dillon’s Rule provides that if there is any fair or reasonable doubt concerning the existence of a power, that doubt is resolved against the governing body of an incorporated city and the power is denied. So if there are questions about whether powers are “incidental” or “implied”, those powers should be denied. But legal counsel appears to not recognize this tenet of Dillon’s Rule. Do the Trustees?

        • This is not going to be settled in a “gentlemanly” fashion. IVGID, like Washoe County over the property taxes, needs to be sued and forced to comply. Anything less results in more time of non-enforcement eventually resulting in a legal de facto loss of our property rights.

  3. I find this informative and absolutely disgusting. It is an extreme abuse of power, and a flaunting of the law. Government gone mad.

  4. Perhaps you’d like some facts. There has never been a requirement for parcel owners to be with their guests. If you have documentation to prove otherwise, please share. Also, the limitation to 5 punchcards was implemented last year along with the requirement for the punchcard to be the only form of payment for users of punchcards. They used to be unlimited and not required for the form of payment, so this change last summer reduced the beach overcrowding. Additionally, the attorney is expected to provide legal guidance on the gold, silver and non-resident employees. Perhaps you’ll be posting that decision, once made. The committee, which was NOT made up of STR owners, worked hard to make recommendations that were reviewed by the attorney to ensure the deed is upheld. Representing facts and changes made would be helpful for members of the community rather than partial and/or incorrect information.

    • Trustee Schmitz is wrong. The original rules from the May 15, 1964 letter from Robert MacDonald, stated that guests must be accompanied by a member. This is similar to a golf or other private clubs.

      We did NOT write the Ordinance 7 Committee was composed of STR owners; three of the 11 members of the committee work in real estate. Trevor Smith is a licensed real estate broker. Ken Viel is licensed property manager and broker. A property manager license is necessary for management of short term rentals in Nevada. Margaret Martini is an active real estate license. Two of the 11 members formerly worked for IVGID. Three employees of IVGID were also on the committee, for a total of 14. Readers can view the Bios of members on the IVGID web site.

      No opinion from IVGID’s external counsel has been published regarding employee beach use. But the demand letter from attorney Stephanie Rice is quite clear – such access constitutes a violation of the beach deed. Most residents did not know that IVGID had over 900 employees – all with access, along with their dependents until 2021. IVGID withheld public records from Transparent Nevada from 2013 – 2016 for all seasonal, part-time and on-call employees. No matrix of employee recreational benefits was published until 2021. http://ourivcbvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/IVGID_employee_privileges_2021.png

      The article is correct and we stand by the facts.

      • I understand this was given to legal counsel and there has been nothing found to have put into written policy. This letter is before the beach deed and not incorporated into the beach deed. Legal counsel and the committee reviewed this letter.

        The Board could make this a requirement, but to date it has never bern policy.

      • I understand this was given to legal counsel and there has been nothing found to have put into written policy. This letter is before the beach deed and not incorporated into the beach deed. Legal counsel and the committee reviewed this letter.

        The Board could make this a requirement, but to date it has never bern policy.

        • Robert McDonald was the legal counsel for IVGID, a member of the original IVGID Board, and the President of the Incline Village Recreation Association (IVRA). Mcdonald, IVRA President, set the original rules for the beaches (1964-1968), and each Incline Village parcel owner was charged $50. IVRA was disbanded in 1968, when the beaches were sold by the developer, as as explained above. The letter was presented as part of evidence in the lawsuit which was filed in 1965 and settled in 1968.

          Perhaps IVGID should consider obtaining the courthouse public records from the 1965 lawsuit and publishing them. Two of the case numbers are 240864 and 222786.

          Former resident and CPA Ken Kidwell wrote about the beach history:
          “Beach passes were only issued to property owners family members, and were not to be used for guests or tenants. To further illustrate this proper policy, in the IVGID board meeting of March 25, 1976, on page 978, a Mrs. Helen Moll protested the beach rules and regulations. In a letter to the board, Mrs. Moll felt she was being discriminated against because she had only three (3) people in her family, which only allowed her three (3) beach passes. She stated it was more difficult to rent her house.
          Trustee Johnson stated that beach passes were designed for family use and not aids in operating rentals. Her protest was denied.” [source: private document from Ken Kidwell, 1998]

          A person with a Beach Pass could accompany their guest, paying a fee, which $1.00 in 1968, per the fee schedule posted with the 1968 Bonds [revenue bonds]. Until Ordinance 7 was passed in November 1987, there were no punch cards. Owners/family members had to accompany their guests (1960-Nov 1987).

      • This letter, dated prior to the beach deed, was reviewed by the committee and legal counsel. This was never incorporated into policy nor contained within the beach deed. While the Board of Trustees could request this be an added policy, the majority of the Trustees were not willing to implement this requirement.

  5. Stop letting the incline boat ramp be used by that fool who rents jet skis and brings hundreds of unwanted visitors to our beach. I’ve been a local in incline 31 years and worked for IVGID for years as a full-time lifeguard…

    No more commercial use of the incline boat ramp!!!!!! Too many people who don’t belong there and disrespect the beach with trash and other BS..

    • The proposed draft of Ordinance 7 is addressing this and many other issues the community is concerned about. These will be discussed again at the BOT meeting on the 11th before potentially being approved on May 26 at the public hearing. The committee and legal counsel did an excellent job of formulating recommendations to address 3 things; beach overcrowding, fairness for all property owners, and protecting the beach deed.

  6. This is a “Well thought out” message to ALL INCLINE RESIDENTS!!!

    It’s what I have been saying to SNC – when they went behind OUR back’s trying to merge with UNR!!!! This became not only, a MONEY & POLITICAL PROBLEM, but a problem of changing the SMALL VILLAGE of INCLINE INTO an EXTENSION OF RENO!!!!!

    Turning a PRIVATE COLLEGE OF 500 students into a PUBLIC UNIVERSITY OF THOUSANDS of students is NOT why WE built this beautiful small private college – only to give it away to GREED AND POLITICS???

  7. My husband and I believe that the use of Incline beaches has gotten out of hand. We do go to the Burnt Cedar beach occasionally, but stay at the end closest to the exit, sit on a bench and enjoy the beauty of the Lake. However we never use the beach or pools since during the summer months they are too crowded, basically over run.
    We have owned property in Incline for many years, first at Club Tahoe, where we not given unlimited or any use of the beach.
    With our young children we always went to Sand Harbor. The idea that STR people are allowed access to the beaches thru punch cards is wrong. They are guests which have nothing invested in Incline. In our neighborhood of (The Woods) we feel the negative impact of these guests. Our adult daughters, due to over crowding, now go into California for beach access. Yes. We definitely agree that the beaches are far too crowded, but whatever is decided it should not impact the resident’s use of the beach as it does now.

  8. STR s opened this can of worms and Incline residents
    Fought for restrictions. Obviously we lost that fight! Sad and we are doomed as are our beaches.

    • Winston Churchill gave us these words of wisdom:
      “Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, … except to convictions of honour and good sense.”

  9. If you go to the Board of Trustees Meetings and Agendas site and review the materials related to Ordinance 7 from the April 13, 2022 meeting, then you can see all of the proposed edits to Ordinance 7. Also, very importantly, it states in that document:
    “[The] Board of Trustees will have the opportunity to deliberate over recommended edits and provide direction to staff related to recommended edits with a goal to receive and final direction at the May 11th, 2022 Board of Trustees meeting. Staff would then work with District Legal Counsel to finalize a draft edited version of Ordinance 7 for formal adoption after a public hearing at the May 26th, 2022 Board of Trustees Meeting.” This would suggest that if you want to be heard you should attend on May 11th, not May 26th. May 26th will just be a vote on the final version.

    • And since the Trustees do not respond to public comments [responses are NOT necessarily a violation of Nevada’s Open Meeting Law], e-mailing or calling the Trustees ASAP is a good idea.

    • Thank you for pointing people to the Board materials. This is where you can see the proposed revisions. The committee had three goals with the recommendations they put forth; address beach overcrowding (there are many proposed changes to address this concern), fairness to all property owners (this is the mindset with restricting the number of punch cards), and protecting the beach deed.

      Many changes are proposed and I appreciate your interest in reading the Board materials to obtain the facts.

  10. I have been very involved in the past ( to the point where a board member visited me at my home to pretty much tell me to back off). And so I did. However, things are still at a standstill until now the issue of Ordinance 7 has come to the forefront once again.

    My opinion:
    All parcels treated equally…five picture passes per parcel (or punch cards in lieu of picture passes) with the ability of three additional punch cards per year per parcel. No other means of access. Non-transferable.

    If there is a special event ie wedding/reunion this event must be registered and a maximum of 50 people may attend. This is a once a year access per parcel. No other ‘sales events’ available.

    Picture passes available to contracted full time employees that are of the level of employment where other benefits are given such as health insurance and the like. These passes are for only the employed and immediate families. Keep in mind with the cost of housing most employees can’t afford to live here. Board of Trustee members are not affected by this since they are required to be residents. The Gold and Silver passes should be restricted to only recipients and no one else. They have paid their dues.

    The sales of kayak rentals and other beach toys should not be done on our beaches. Period. Those interested have their kayaks and paddle boards on racks. Talk about a money maker for IVGID.

    By having eqalityper parcel it restricts the usage of our beaches and is fair to all homeowners. And it restricts usage by the STRs or now talked about fractional housing.